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People should be free to choose what is best for themselves as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others to do the same. I created this blog to discuss issues I have with big government, liberal media,and to talk about my support for capitalism and the Iraq War.
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The impetus for this legislation probably comes in part from what they have been doing in Israel. I support it. You are simply sliding the responsiblity of school chilren's safety from the law enforcement division to individuals in the actual school. The more local you go the more likely you will be able to control the problem. Its a lot harder to walk into a school guns blazing when the half the staff can fire back at you. It would be shocking if this properly implemented didnt reduce, if not completely stop, these kinds of school tragedies.
The more you make a school like a prison - with people carrying guns - the more likely you are to have kids act like prisoners.
So I am not 100 percent against - i want to be careful that we are not blowing this out of proportion
Its unclear as to why having some faculty armed makes the school more like a prison. Even in prisons, guards dont carry guns amongst the inmates.
lol, they don't carry guns among the inmates because they'll grab the guns off the guards and start shooting people... which is exactly what I would expecct to start happening in schools, AT LEAST as often as one of these school shootings takes place.
I was simply saying it not clear why it would be like prison. Even at the basic level of how faculty is armed.
If only a few teachers have guns and kids have 8 classes a day they will know what teachers are packing and who are not - so if they want to start shooting they know what room to be in. Also, most if not all of these people know they are going to die after the shooting - either by killing themselves or death by cop. So in the end I do not think there is anything that can really stop a student from killing others if they really want to do it. So having extra guns in the school could actually be more dangerous - if a kid is having a horrible day he might try to take that gun from the teacher becuase that is the only access they have to gun. More guns in the school is not the answer.
Lets assume that all the students know that 8 teachers are packing heat. In order for that student to massacre many students they would need to be able to kill all eight teachers without anyone knowing.
Good luck with that.
Once one armed teacher knows that a student is armed with a gun the dynamics drasticaly change. An armed student no longer has free reign over the students becasuse a teacher now has the capacity to defend them.
There is no way you can stop one student from coming into a school and shooting one person and then himself. But you can stop Columbine massacres by arming teachers.
If armed faculty is not the solution what is the solution?
There is no way to stop a school shooting. Is arming teachers a way to stop a mass assault - MAYBE - But the kids can shoot those who are armed first before they know what is up. In the end - more guns in the school is not the answer. If a kid wants to kill he is going to be able to kill. Just like there is no real stopping a terrorist killing innocent people by strapping a bomb to his chest and blowing himself up.
So the question is how to you stop crazy people? Is there a way to identfiy crazy people and get to them before they do something crazy? And dont blow this off becuase i use the word crazy - you know what i mean.
With students - the answer probably starts at home. What that includes I am not sure. A lot with parents who actually pay attetntion to their kids. Know what they are doing, reading, and who they hang out with. Teachers and counselors who are made aware of isolationists in the shcool. Those who appear distant, isolated, angry. Finding some kind of outlet for these kids to feel accepted. Now these are huge generaliztions and I know that, but it is a start.
This may cut down on some of these behaviors. More guns in a school does not change the behavior of kid. They are still isolated and such.
Solution to school violence... probably starts at home with parents who care (this is also a solution to why students do poorly in school), but it continues at school with counselors. Let them be proactive instead of reactive.
By proactive I mean allow counselors to run group counseling sessions or individual counseling sessions. Allow teachers and students to refer students who they see as a possible threat.
Re: arming teachers (or other school personnel)... that's one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. If this were to happen, I think you would have more violence from school personnel packing then from students. This type of violence at school is not common. You only hear about it because the media loves stories like this. Schools are probably the safest place for kids to be.
Not to mention the fact that school personnel are just that... they're teachers, counselors, administrators... they're not police, or security guards. They went to college to teach, not to shoot school invaders. If you arm teachers, that just adds one more thing on their already very full plate.
I would advocate for voluntary arming of faculty not mandatory.
I agree that on the whole schools are safe for children. However, if you want to put an end to this current trend of a suicidal student going out in a blaze of glory you need a couple of incidents were a strong show force brought the massacre to end prematurely. That should kill the trend.
Giving school counsellors more control over children through therapy strikes me as an infintely worse idea, unless of course parents permission is required. At which point then its just state subsidized therapy for children.
Sounds much more costly then just letting faculty members voluntarily arm themselves.
I am guessing it would cost the state a lot of money too in order to get these teachers trained to operate a weapon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_headline=give-teachers-guns-to-stop-the-maniacs-&method=full&objectid=17887763&siteid=66633-name_page.html
-Says that teachers are not allowed to have weapons in Israel but their are guards at the doors who are packing -
I'm not so sure you can really call this recent spat of school violence a trend.
What about the people who get fired from their jobs and then come back and shoot people... what about the postal workers "going postal"... we should allow everyone to arm themselves. Then we could really save money by disbanding the nations police force and the judicial system (imagine a world without lawyers!) and let people settle their differences old west style. (I do realize that I went just a tad overboard with this scenario). The point is, firearms do not belong in schools unless it's attached to a police officers hip.
You could also argue that arming (voluntarily or otherwise) teachers would make for more suicidal students. For the student that wants to go out in a blaze of glory it would make it more heroic (bad term but it's all I can think of right now) to be able to go out old west style.
Re: "you need a couple of incidents were a strong show force brought the massacre to end prematurely." How'd that work out for Bush in Iraq. We shocked and awed the hell out of them there and I'd say it's pretty much under control (typed with tongue firmly in cheek).
Re: counseling students...
I'm not talking therapy sessions with the students, but sessions where students are sharing their feelings in a safe environment (you could even probably call it just socializing if you really wanted to). Counselors are trained to recognize when a student needs actual therapy and make referrals when appropriate.
So this Israel thing that has casued teachers and citizens to arm themselves was not even a school shooting. A terrorist group came in and held people hostage. Cops stormed the place and people got killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'alot_massacre
I cannot find reports of kids coming into the school to shoot others. I cant find any incidents before or after. Actually i found one after and they use it as evidence that if teachers were packing (cause this school in Isreal was in a safe zone or something) then it would not have happened becuase it hasnt happened since the massacre. Is it SOOOOO hard to believe that this massacre was not the intent of this group - do to the fact they did it on an aniversary of Isreal taking over - and instead they wanted attention and got it - things went bad people died. And then there was public outcry in this terrorist faction group that killing these children is not the way to get the attention we need. Oh no - instead we must believe that arming citizens has done it becuase it has not happened again. But it was not happening before either. ONE incident - Huge media attention - shocker that a drastic measure was taken - shocker that they are attributing the success of no school shooting to this measure. Looked we fixed the problem- THOUGH THERE WAS NEVER A PROBLEM THAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED. They could have done anything and made that the answer why there are no more school shootings.
Looks like your argument is more persuassive than mine. I will have to look at the links but a cursory glance seems to reveal that im wrong.
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