Say it aint so!. They understand he wants universal health care right? Oh - and he wants to end the war.
Update - National Review says not quite.
Update 2- Edwards Universal Health Care is gonna cost us.
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People should be free to choose what is best for themselves as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others to do the same. I created this blog to discuss issues I have with big government, liberal media,and to talk about my support for capitalism and the Iraq War.
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How is there something wrong with universal healthcare?
I think you're mixing "universal" healthcare with a single-payer system, like the one Hillary tried to put through back in '93.
Are you not for everyone having healthcare? Why would you be against that?
There is nothing worse than the idea of having government be in complete charge of healthcare. Sorry I am not a socialist. Also I do not know one country where people who have Universal Heath Care are happy about it. That includes England and Canada. Most of the people there if they can afford it go on their own and buy thier own health care.
Small government is what I want. Universal health care is the exact opposite of that means.
Find me where Obama has ever said that the government should be in complete charge of healthcare.
Oh yes, and I enjoyed reading your criticisms of Bush's prescription giveaway. It was great to hear a "conservative" like you be up in arms over that trillion-dollar government giveaway.
Thank you, Mr. Small Government!!!
(Oh... Obama had nothing to do with that one, either.)
I think the point is that Universal Healthcare isn;t neccessarily the same as government-run... for instance, teh government could issue vouchers, which you're already in favor of for schools. That would be Universal and still allow for free-market pressures.
Back off the conservative talk. I was not fully aware of the Bush pescription idea. If I was I would sure comment on it and most likely mock it. Bush has been a horrible President when it comes to my small government values. He has expanded the government like he was a Democrat. I am not a huge fan a Bush. Basically I only support him on the war and lowewring taxes. Besides that I cannot think of anything I support him on.
Also, I am not sure how Universal Health Care would not mean more involvment by the government. If someone can show me universal health care with less government involvement - SIGN ME UP!
Here's the thing- The reason (in my opinion) that government is inneficient and has problems is because teh people making decisions aren't the people affected by those decisions.
But when we look at healthcare as it currently stands, we have the same problem. The majority of americans (I think... right?) get their healthcare coverage through their emplyer. And that employer negotiates that coverage with some health insurance firm on a very high-level, bulk rate basis- the people who design that healthcare coverage aren't actually on the plan they create, they're executives with the executive package, and so the person making the decisions isn't the person being affected by them. I think this is a big part of the reason why we have so many problems with healthcare under the current system.
Now, given that, I think a government-run voucher system would actually be a big improvement. Sure, in a sense the government is playing a bigger role becuase they're paying out all the money for it, but in terms of people making their own choices instead of a third-party beauracracy doing it for them, giving health vouchers to individuals would create way more personal control than the current employer-coverage model.
Not sure if you clicked on the health care like anonymous person but here is a line from his text
"The federal government should be leading the way here."
So he does not say in complete charge. But he thinks they should be taking more control.
For a libertarian like myself = BAD NEWS.
Yeah, I'm not talking about Obama, just wanted to get your opinions on a universal system like the one I'm talking about.
I was talking to anonymous - is that you?
Anyway your plan = I like more personal choice of course - I just would like there to be a way where government is slightly to not involved at all.
I wish there was a system where everyday kind of chekups and routine exams people pay out of pocket. Does not go through insurace at all. This way the price is kept down. Then if there are emergency type things - then insurance companies can be involved. And people can choose between companies who offer the best deal. People should not be locked into a certain insuranc plan. There should be options - competition. Right now insurace companies to not have to fight much for their business. THey are plugged in/ part of the system.
Somehow we need to start over. I am not smart enough to come up with the plan to make that happen. I just know that will all things being equal - more choices,competition, free markets, less government control = better products for the consumer.
Yeah, I agree with all that pretty much, except I think the argument for why the government has to be involved at all is pretty good- it's so that even poor people can afford a reasonable level of healthcare.
Basically, if everyone did pay for check-ups and such out of pocket, then poor people would have a much stronger incentive not to get check-ups and preventionary care, not to go in to get checked out when they start to feel sick, etc. Especially if they have a lot of kids, who need check-ups and complain about feeling sick all the time. Also, even with insurance involved, without governemnt backing, insurance companies don't have a reason to offer good healthcare plans to poor people who can't afford to pay much monthly, so they'll still get worse care, or be unable to afford care, if something major does come up.
The benefit of a voucher system from the goernment is that it would be payed for by normal federal (ie progressive) taxes, and allow everyone access to some basic level of care. That's why I think the government should be involved at least on that financial end, even if that money then enters a free-market healthcare system.
Stop with that -what about the children crap. Nobody told those people to have kids. These people freely chose to raise kids and if they cannot afford them it should not be my responsiblity to pay for their choice. In no way am I telling "poor" people they cannot have kids. Just do not look to me when you cannot affort routine check ups. We need to have a system set up that does not encourage poor people to have kids. Right now poor can have as many kids as they want becuase the family gets more money from the government for every kid they have. That is crazy to me. Maybe if we stop that type of funding for all future families it will make people think twice about haveing a kid they cannot afford. My plan = responsible people. YOur plan = government will always take care of you..there is no need to make your own decisions. There is no incentive in your plan for people to get off the government funding.
I'm only talking about paying for healthcare... they may want to get of government funding if they want, like, a house, or enough food, or clothes without holes in them, or etc. You're talking about welfare, which I agree should be reformed to encourage people to move into productive jobs - as it has been in recent years in many places, with great success. But while you're berating the parents who have children they can't afford (and by the way - until there's sex ed in every school, and birth-control and morning-after pills and abortion clinics readily available to whoever wants them, I'm not going to berate anyone for unplanned kids), what you're ignoring is that it's the KIDS who actually suffer, and they didn't do ANYTHING wrong.
So yes, I think our WELFARE system should encourage people to get jobs and act responsibly; however, I think our country is well-off enough to guarantee some basic level of healthcare to EVERY individual, just like we ensure schooling to everyone. Believe me, there are plenty of other incentives to not want to be poor.
sry that was me above if you couldn't guess :)
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