Friday, June 01, 2007

SHOCKER!

University graduation speakers lean to the left. Come on. I was told colleges give a fair and balanced perspective. Like the Loyola speaker I saw two years ago.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Who told you that colleges give a fair and balanced perspective? To my knowledge (and I am by no means an expert here) historically colleges and universities are liberal.

Whenever you hear a political candidate (regardless of which party) address his/her past trangressions, it's almost always explained away as "it happened in college."

I have always heard that colleges are mostly liberal leaning (students, faculty, administration, etc.) with the exception of private religious affiliated institutions (like Loyola).

By the way, out of curiosity, who was the speaker you listened to two years ago?

Anonymous said...

Damn, you took my reaction. Yeah, who the hell told you that colleges are fari and balanced? I think yo're getting your rhetoric confused... I know it's difficult when you memorize so much of it.

Diatribe said...

I know that colleges are not fair and balanced. I know they lean to the left - hence the shocker statement. I guess it is a little annoying that it is accepted that colleges lean left. These are supposed to be institutions of higher learning. Even public colleges lean left. The only way a student can get a conservative perspective is pay for some high priced private college.
For some reason it is okay that students are taught a liberal slant. This is my concern. Why is it okay colleges teach a left leaning message. I want to say that public colleges should teach a balanced perspective, but I bet if I asked the President of all those public colleges they would say they do not lean left. Presdients woudl say they offer students a well rounded education... IE. global warming is real, white people are racist, the war in Iraq is unjust, Isrealis are the real terrorists.
To return to my main point...
Why is it accepted that the majority of colleges have a left leaning message? Do we not want our children to learn all sides to arguments?
And do not come at me with the statement - kids can get the other perspective if they want to by doing their own research. I know all that. It just seems a litte odd to me that as a society we are okay with are children being taught the same left leaning message.

Diatribe said...

By the way the Loyola speaker I saw talked to the Masters and Doctoral level students. And he was so bleading heart that it make me sick. He went off on a huge diatribe about poverty. And if we stopped the war in Iraq we can feed the world. It did not seem like a place for that kind of rhetoric. Speakers should be telling these kids congratulations and tell them the possibilities their future holds for them now with these high end degrees. Instead we get Iraq is Bad. Bush is Bad.
Thanks a lot.

Anonymous said...

Liberal commencment speeches are very lame.

There are people that would argue that while the academcic system leans left they are capable of presenting from a neutral perspective. This of course is total bullshit.

Its like the MSM making the argument that though they lean left their professionalalism allows them nuetral reporting. Also total bullshit.

Anonymous said...

On the contrary, I don't think that teachers of universities say that they present material from a neutral perspective. I think they would say that in terms of matters of fact, they present the facts, and in terms of matters of opinion, they present what tehy see as the TRUTH. Maybe elementary schools have to try to stay neutral, but I think colleges and universities (the good ones anyway) assume that their students are smart and mature enough to closely consider the iformation they're being given and think critically for themselves.

Diatribe said...

I so disagre Darwin. You say "in terms of matters of fact, they present the facts, and in terms of matters of opinion, they present what tehy see as the TRUTH."
You think professors say "Now many people have different views on global warming, but my truth is that it is real." Or do you think they say we must stop Global Warming. WE are killing the planet. Look at what is being done in Antartica. We need goverment to step up and force car companies to reduce CFC's.
Professors are convinced what they say is truth and they are not going to throw any qualifiers out there before they speak.

Anonymous said...

I never said that they start each lesson with "Now many people have different views on X, but my truth is ", I said they present what they believe is the truth.

Diatribe said...

Yeah but you were talking about matters of opinion. But if they do not present it like it is an opinion - then it is fact. Otherwise how would the students know.

Diatribe said...

By the way I know you dont think they say - Now many people have different views on X. This is my view is the problem. There isnt discussion about dissenting opinions becuuse their truth is TRUTH. Hence they never say their are different views. There is the view of that teacher and thats that.

Anonymous said...

Don't you think you're both generalizing just a tad here? I'm sure there are professors who say, "this is the truth..." when it may be there opinion, but there are also professors who say, "this is my opinion of the facts... let me hear what you think".

There are also plenty of college students who are capable of independent thought who just go along with their wacko professor who presents his/her opinion as truth because that student needs the grade.

If college students these days are not capable of critically analyzing something their professor says and forming their own opinion when appropriate, then America is in a sad, sorry state.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that's right...

First of all, part of my statement was that it is assumed college students are smart and mature enough to question their professors.

Second, I don't know what your college was like, but almost every course I took outside of math and computer science had heavy discussion elements where people disagreed with the teacher and each otehr all the time.

Anonymous said...

Darwin obviously didnt got to an Ivy League school.

Anonymous said...

No, but it was ranked #1 in the nation by US News and World Report while I was going there.

Anonymous said...

You mean despite the fact that you were going there.

Anonymous said...

US News and World Report aparently cares more about high standardized test scores than about 'understanding the material'.

Those... liberal... bastards?